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WIDEWATERS COMMONS
THE SCHOOL DISTRICT
INDEX
KNGG INTRODUCTION
BOARD OF ED - COOL RECEPTION FOR KNGG
LETTER: MALL AND
ROUNDABOUT = CONGESTION AND DANGER
ARTICLE: LAW
ON CROSS WALKS GETS LITTLE RECOGNITION
LETTER: SCHOOL
DISTRICT TO PLANNING BOARD NOVEMBER 6, 2003
LETTER: SCHOOL
DISTRICT TO PLANNING BOARD FEBRUARY 11, 2003
LETTER: SCHOOL DISTRICT TO PLANNING BOARD OCTOBER 10,
2002
INTRODUCTIONI am concerned for the parents who sincerely believe that their children will not be safe if this over-scaled Widewaters strip mall is built across from the Ichabod Crane School System buildings on Route US9 in the Town of Kinderhook NY.I am extremely concerned by the so few letters written by the School Board to the Town Planning Board and of the wording, "Once again, the school district wishes to remain neutral on the matter of the proposed development, and our questions were based solely on the safety of our students, staff and visitors."The School Board should be taking a more aggressive stand in the strip mall proposal. It should be preservingthe safety of the students, staff and visitors." The School Board's silence implies it is promoting big development. If the Widewaters strip mall had been at this location first, I doubt very much that the Town would have placed the school system where it now stands. For this same reason I believe the Town should turn down the Widewaters application.Allen Schaefer, PresidentKinderhook Neighbors for Good GrowthNovember 7, 2003
BOARD OF ED RECEPTION . . . COOL
We attended the Board of Education meeting Tuesday
night with KNGG member and proud mother of two lovely children, Kelly
Piester. So far, Kelly has been the only parent that has shown up at the
Board of Education meetings to speak of her concerns about her children's
safety although a few other mothers did show up to give support.
The board offers the public a time to speak. According
to the printed agenda, there are suppose to be no comments by board members
about what the speaker says and the speaker is expected not to engage the
board in any conversation. In other words,
don't question the board.
KNGG believes this is not an open forum and that parents and
public are really not encouraged
to speak.
Kelly spoke well. She was polite and showed respect
for the board and concern for her children's safety with regard to the
roundabout and the proposed mall's luring of students after school. She
mentioned that we have learned a lot more recently about safety issues and
suggested the board reopen their dialogue with the Planning Board and pursue
this important issue further.
Surprisingly to me, after having read the agenda
instructions, Edmond Brooks, President of the Board, commented, in a most
condescending tone, that the board had written two times on this issue to
the Planning Board and considered its job fulfilled.
The Board of Education, in Widewaters' pursuit of
their application process, is considered by the State Environmental Quality
Review Act (SEQRA) law to be an
"interested agency."
KNGG is an "interested party." The Planning Board is the "lead agency"
because they will ultimately make the final determination. SEQRA, in
their hand book, describes an interested agency as
"a public body which does not have jurisdiction over a
project, but wishes to participate in the process because of its expertise
or specific concern."
KNGG believes that the Board of Education, as an
"interested agency," has a responsibility here which has not been
fulfilled. The board is an expert in children's safety within the
school area and should
have serious concerns in this matter. Any parent in this school district has
the right, not only to a detailed explanation but to ask that the board's
dialogue with the Planning Board be reopened.
KNGG believes that the board should make a public
statement about where it stands on this issue because we assess this mall to
be dangerous. It will bring heavier traffic, a roundabout which has no
traffic lights to safely let students cross, and a continuous flow of
traffic making it most difficult and dangerous for the school busses to gear
up to merge into the traffic, not to mention problems that are reported to
occur with children at malls after school.
Furthermore, KNGG strongly believes that the morning
rush hour at this intersection is the heaviest of all. Everyone is
commuting to work on these roads at approximately the same hour. This is
the hour when school busses are coming and going to and from the school.
Yet Widewaters has failed to
provide a morning midweek rush hour traffic
count/analysis.
They have provided it for the afternoon rush hour,
after which is when the school busses have returned to their garages for the night.
In addition, having read the federal guidelines for
roundabouts, we see that roundabouts are considered safe only when the
entrances are of equal distances apart. The closer the entrances get to
each other, the more dangerous they become. Route 9 and 9H will merge at
this roundabout. It couldn't get much more dangerous
CONCERNED MOTHER & KNGG MEMBER WRITES TO
THE EDITOR
September 26, 2003 (as
published in the Register-Star and the Independent)
MALL & ROUNDABOUT = CONGESTION & DANGER To the Editor: As a resident of Kinderhook Village, I have not been pleased about the shopping mall proposed by Widewaters Corporation at the junction of routes 9 and 9H in Valatie. The location of this mall, directly opposite the buildings of the Ichabod Crane Central School, will be unnecessarily adding congestions and confusion to an already busy and integral intersection.This is already a 4-way intersection because in addition to the legs of 9 North, 9 South, and 9H south, there is also the State Farm Road leg (which leads directly to the Elementary and Middle Schools). There is also no other direct route to Albany. I have been particularly concerned since hearing of the proposed "roundabout" which, according to Widewaters and its supporters, will make the intersection safer and alleviate congestion and problems. This seems to me to be a very drastic change in the traffic environment and one the will cause more danger and congestion than not. In the SDEIS statement submitted by Widewaters, it was stated that the peek traffic time is 6:00 p.m. when people are returning home from Albany and points north. This is certainly a busy time and seems to be becoming busier with each passing year. However, it seems to me and many others that not only is there more traffic in the morning (between 7:45 and 8:30 a.m.), but a good deal of this traffic consist of larger vehicles such as school buses.Those who live in this vicinity (as well as those of us in the surrounding areas with children) know how hectic it is when people are on their way to Albany and many buses are making their way to and from the various school buildings. In addition, there are the cars of teachers, other school workers, and young, inexperienced drivers making their way to school. Also let us not forget that 9 and 9H are both frequently used access roads for large trucks, semis, farm equipment, etc. Is Widewaters trying to tell us that the introduction of a large mall with another leg to this intersection is not going to cause more traffic? Won’t these stores need to have deliveries on a daily basis? Won’t there be more traffic coming into the area specifically to go to the mall? (They don’t seriously think that just the people of this small community will be enough to keep the mall in business, do they?) I don’t think that the traffic studies that have thus far been done in relation to this proposed mall are sufficient. The visual representation that was shown at the Kinderhook Town Board meeting earlier this summer showed only a few vehicles on the "roundabout." These vehicles were not made to scale (they were smaller than the reality). Also, no mention was made of the winter months, when, in addition to all of the vehicles mentioned above, there will be piles of snow, snow plows, and sanders. I feel that this presentation was misleading! If the town of Kinderhook REALLY needs another supermarket, I’m sure we could find a safer place away from the schools. I did not grow up in this area, but I have lived here for 10 years and my two children are growing up here. We chose a place that afforded us access to a unique, rural, agricultural community. My daughter will be attending the ICC high school next year and am I very concerned about the safety issues for the older children due to the allure of a mall. We will have many adolescents, at all hours of the day, crossing these roads (attempting use a "roundabout" with no traffic lights) to get to the mall.I had hoped to raise my children in the type of environment that Kinderhook IS NOW, not what it MIGHT BE in the future—if the mall is built in this location my family will most likely relocate to another area that is as quiet and wonderful as Kinderhook is today. I respectfully ask the Kinderhook Planning Board to reconsider this plan that will irrevocably change this town and its present safe environment for our children. Sarah Biondello, Kinderhook KNGG NOTE: The red highlighting in the above letter was added by KNGG for emphasis. NOTE: KNGG has requested the Planning Board to require Widewaters to provide Morning Traffic Counts. As of 3/01/04 they have failed to produce them. LAW ON CROSSWALKS GETS LITTLE RECOGNITION (Register-Star October 10, 2003) By Taitia Shelow CHATHAM - Have you stopped for a pedestrian in a crosswalk lately? If the answer is no, you're not alone. But you also have broken the law. Since January 19, 2003, (the) New York state vehicle and traffic law has required that motorists "yield the right-of-way to a pedestrian walking in any part of a crosswalk in the same roadway, when a traffic signal is not present or not operating." Close to half of the 50 states in the United States have such laws, according to the New York governor's office. Local motorists traveling over the border into Massachusetts are well aware of the state's similar law. The New York Legislature passed this amendment to the previous crosswalk in July 2002, but it didn't take effect until earlier this year. The previous law only required motorists to yield the right-of-way when a pedestrian was on the same half of the roadway, or close enough on the opposite half to be in danger. The state Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) made every effort to publicize the change, said Joseph Picchi, DMV spokesman. They issued press releases to the media, put inserts in mailings like reqistration renewals, and ran public service announcements on television. They also notified police departments of the change, he said. "The word is out. Sometimes not everyone is going to get the word, especially with a law whose scope is so narrow," said Peter Graves, a spokesman with state DOT. But despite the state's efforts to publicize the revision, most residents seem unaware of the change. In Chatham Village, where Main Street sees a lot pedestrian traffic in its unsignaled crosswalks, cars continue to whiz by pedestrians. Chatham Village Police Chief Kevin Boehme said his department is still giving out warnings as opposed to tickets for violations of the new crosswalk law. He, too believes most motorists are unaware of the change. "I don't think there was a lot put out as far as public awareness," he said. On a recent Friday afternoon, a high-traffic time for both pedestrians and cars, approximately two-thirds of the traffic on Main Street drove through a crosswalk without even slowing. However, at least three drivers stopped even when this reporter stood firmly on the sidewalk. And when Chatham resident Jane Wood and her son Matt accepted a request to cross a few times as an experiment, one car stopped to let them pass while several others zoomed by. Whether those who stopped knew the law or were simply being courteous, however, is unknown. No pedestrians approached by the Courier last week were aware of the law change. Chatham resident Mike Holden said he was aware of the law change, having seen the publicity service announcement on TV. But he went to his computer and looked it up on the Internet for confirmation recently when he was passed by a Chatham Village Police car while standing in the crosswalk. The police car did not stop, he said. Holden thinks it would be helpful to have signs announcing the law at crosswalks, like in Massachusetts towns. The topic of crosswalk signs has come up in the past few months at Chatham Village Board meetings. Village Trustees have wondered aloud whether they are responsible for putting up such signs. The main drags through Chatham Village are all state-maintained roads. DOT spokesman Graves said the crosswalk law does not require signs. They are available, however, if towns wish to purchase them at a cost of about $100-$150 a piece, he said. "It's not that we 're trying not to support anyone here...communities have discretion whether or not to place signs," Graves said. But Village Trustee Lael Locke, who has been researching the issue for Chatham Village believes it's just another example of state bureaucracy in action. "They pass laws and don't provide communities any way to implement them," Locke said. Locke added that she, too, would like to see signs put up, and feels it's unfair to ticket people if the law is largely unknown. "I do think people need to know there's a law in effect," she said. KNGG has reprinted the above article because we do not believe Widewaters' claims that traffic will come to a halt for pedestrians at roundabout crosswalks where drivers would be concentrating on merging into or out of the circle, especially in the rush hours. We sincerely believe this unsignalized roundabout should not be installed at a busy school intersection. This is one reason why KNGG is asking the Board of Education to take a stronger stand on student and staff safety and against the location of the proposed Widewaters' site.THE LETTER BELOW
WAS WRITTEN IN RESPONSE TO CONCERNED MOTHER & KNGG MEMBER, KELLY PEISER'S
VERBAL REQUEST AT THE NOVEMBER 4, 2003 MEETING OF THE BOARD OF EDUCATION THAT
THE BOARD REQUEST MORNING TRAFFIC STUDIES.
Ichabod Crane Central School
District
P. O. Box 820 – 2910 Route 9 Valatie, New York 12184-0137 November 6, 2003 Dear Mr. Simonsen: As you complete your deliberations regarding the proposed Widewaters Commons Shopping center, the Board of Education wishes to reiterate the questions raised in my correspondence of February 11, 2003 (attached). Once again, the school district wishes to remain neutral on the matter of the proposed development, and our questions were based solely on the safety of our students, staff and visitors.Sincerely, KNGG NOTE: The red highlighting in the above letter was added by KNGG for emphasis. THE FOLLOWING LETTER IS REFERENCED IN THE ABOVE NOVEMBER 6TH LETTER Ichabod Crane Central School District P. O. Box 820 – 2910 Route 9 Valatie, New York 12184-0137 February 11, 2003Mr. Edwin Simonsen Kinderhook Town Planning Board Town Hall, P. O. Box P Niverville, NY 12130 RE: Proposed Widewaters Commons Shopping
Center Traffic Impacts A representative from our school district attended a NYSDOT meeting on January 9, 2003 where DOT expressed a strong preference for a roundabout to be installed at the Route 9/9H intersection. The district requests additional study with respect to the following:
Pedestrian Traffic
Thank you for the opportunity to provide input on student safety concerns as you develop the final scope of the SEIS. Sincerely, KNGG NOTE: The red highlighting in the above letter was added by KNGG for emphasis. * SEQRA defines Interested Agency as a public body
which does not have jurisdiction over a project, but wishes to
participate in the process because of its expertise or specific
concern. Daralene Jewel, speaking for the Board of Education in her November 6, 2003 letter states that the school districts wishes to "remain neutral on the matter of the proposed development." Yet in her February 11, 2003 letter Ms Jewell refers to the school district being an "Involved Agency" and an "Interested Agency." INTERESTED or INVOLVED, judging by its lack of action, the board doesn't seem to be either KNGG believes that the school district should take a more solid stand on the issue. As the law states, the school district is "a public body that does not have jurisdiction but wishes to PARTICIPATE IN THE PROCESS BECAUSE OF ITS EXPERTISE OR SPECIFIC CONCERN." KNGG urges the school district and the board of education to PARTICIPATE. We do not believe that the writing of three letters to the Planning Board can be considered to "participate." This body should have an ABSOLUTE AND SPECIFIC CONCERN IN THE SAFETY OF ITS STUDENTS AND STAFF. IT SHOULD BE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN THE INVESTIGATION OF WIDEWATERS' CLAIMS. THESE ISSUES ARE NOTHING TO BE BLOWN OFF CASUALLY IN THREE LETTERS TO THE PLANNING BOARD. KNGG BELIEVES THE SCHOOL DISTRICT, THE BOARD OF EDUCATION, TO BE EXPERTS IN THE FIELD OF STUDENT SAFETY. WHY IS THE BOARD OF EDUCATION AND THE SCHOOL DISTRICT NOT PARTICIPATING TO ITS FULLEST EXTENT OF EXPERTISE AND CONCERN? WHY? Could it be that the all mighty dollar is so much more important than one child's life? What else can one think? BELOW IS THE ORIGINAL LETTER WRITTEN BY THE SCHOOL DISTRICT AS ITS RESPONSE TO WIDEWATERS DEIS - PUBLISHED PRIOR TO THE ROUNDABOUT PROPOSAL: Ichabod Crane Central School District P. O. Box 820 – 2910 Route 9 Valatie, New York 12184-0137
October 10, 2002 Mr. Edward Simonsen Dear Mr. Simonsen, The Ichabod Crane Central School District received a copy of the Draft Environmental Impact Statement (DEIS) prepared for the proposed Widewaters Commons Shopping Center. A review of the DEIS did not lead us to find responses to the vehicular and pedestrian traffic safety concerns we had raised with the Town Planning Board several months ago. Once again, the school district wishes to remain neutral on the matter of the proposed development and our concerns are based solely on the safety of our students, staff and visitors. The questions we pose are as follows:
Thank you for the opportunity to provide input into the Town’s planning and approval process for this proposed development. Sincerely, KNGG NOTE: The red highlighting in the above letter was added by KNGG for emphasis. * * *
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