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Goodbye, Bad Ideas

Wednesday, May 12, 2004

This time backing up is a good thing.

The City of Plattsburgh's common council has finally come to its senses...reversing itself on the backward--reverse angle--diagonal parking here on Miller Street and on Court Street too...and the council decided to get rid of the ridiculous Rugar Street roundabout.

The parking has been a mess from the get-go. It's been ridiculed and detested by almost everyone who's had to use it.

The tinker-toy traffic circle on Rugar Street has inspired more laughter than Jay Leno's monologues.

But let's say this for the council: They may finally be getting it.

Half-baked ideas from consultants who don't drive and so-called leaders who wish you wouldn't are not what the people want. They want leadership...common sense.

We applaud the council for finally paying attention and showing a little common sense. And we applaud all the people who raised their voices and made sure they got heard.

That's our opinion. What's yours?

Aired by President/General Manager, Paul A. Sands


The Press-Republican

Plattsburgh, NY
May 1, 2004


News

 

Round we go

Debate intensifies over traffic control

By JOE LoTEMPLIO Staff Writer

PLATTSBURGH — With the debate over the city’s Rugar Street roundabout continuing to heat up, Mayor Daniel Stewart must be thinking he picked the right time to go to Florida for vacation.

People from both in and outside the city and public officials have been opining on the roundabout since it opened two weeks ago.

So far, public view seems to be strongly against the plan, an informal survey by the Press-Republican shows.

"We agreed to try this for six months, and it’s only been a few weeks, so I think we need to keep listening,’’ Councilor Glenn Olds (R-Ward 6) said.

TRAFFIC CONTROL

A roundabout is a one-lane, circular road; vehicles enter after yielding to cars inside and then drive to the right on their way to their desired exit.

The city’s first roundabout was installed at the intersection of Rugar Street, Prospect Avenue and George Angell Drive in front of Plattsburgh High School.

The goal was to slow down and smooth out traffic, which becomes extremely heavy in the morning when school begins and in the afternoon when classes let out.

But some motorists have complained about the roundabout, saying it is too small and too confusing for drivers, especially for older people.

Ronnie Rinn, who owns a sanitation business, showed up at two Common Council meetings to tell city councilors he thinks the roundabout is an accident waiting to happen, and that it could cause damage to trucks.

This week, he asked city councilors to pass a resolution remove it.

"The council needs to listen to what the people have to say,’’ he said.

PROVEN TO WORK

But Councilor Stuart Voss (I-Ward 3), who supports the roundabout idea, said people need to give it a chance.

"People think this idea dropped down from outer space; well, it didn’t,’’ he said.

"We researched this all over the country, and studies show roundabouts reduce the number of accidents by 80 to 90 percent nationwide.’’

Robert Heins, a Clinton County legislator from the city, said he worries that ambulances and snowplows will have difficulty using the roundabout.

Larger vehicles, such as fire trucks and tractor-trailer trucks, have to drive over the center curb of the roundabout to make it through.

"If you’re in an ambulance and run over that thing you won’t need a defibrillator,’’ Heins said.

City Public Works Manager Kevin Murphy said Friday that plowing the roundabout won’t be a problem.

"We have smaller plows that will fit, and if we have to we can use a front-end loader.

"Whatever we need to do to clear it, we will do.’’

CHANGE IN DESIGN

If the council decides to make the roundabout permanent after the six-month trial period, it will be redesigned.

City Engineer Kevin Farrington explained that the yellow curbing will be replaced with painted lines.

The center circle will have an inner area that’s five inches high surrounded by an outer rim of brick-like material that will be elevated about two inches.

Larger vehicles are expected to drive over the outer, two-inch circle when going through, which should not cause damage to vehicles, Farrington said.

The same design is being considered for a roundabout at the intersection of Route 9 and New York Avenue near the entrance to the former Plattsburgh Air Force Base.

If the conversation about the Rugar Street roundabout is any indication, the Route 9 roundabout will be equally interesting.

"You’re going to spend all that money on a roundabout at the base when there isn’t even that many cars that go through there, and there is no problem,’’ resident Dickie Rinn said.

"That’s taxation without representation and come election day, we might make our own roundabout.’’


 
E-mail Joe LoTemplio at: jlotemplio@pressrepublican.com

To contact the Press-Republican, Phone: (518) 561-2300 or send mail to:
Press-Republican, 170 Margaret St., P.O. Box 459, Plattsburgh, NY 12901

Copyright 2004, Plattsburgh Publishing Co., Plattsburgh, NY,  Division of Ottaway Newspapers, Inc., Campbell Hall, NY.



TheChamplainChannel.com

Wednesday, April 28, 2004

'Round and round and round we go.....

Some people say it's made by Tonka Toys. Others that it looks like Legos.

But it's the newest so-called traffic innovation from the City of Plattsburgh: The Rugar Street Roundabout.

One problem: Some vehicles...like this ambulance we watched, couldn't make it through first time around. Fire trucks might not make it at all.

But city engineers say "not to worry." (SOT Kevin Farringon, City Engineer: "We didn't landscape the center circle so that if a very large truck does come down through here that he can jump the curb a little.")

Now, that's logical. Build something they can't use, and then say it doesn't matter.

But you have to remember, this is the brainchild of a traffic consultant who doesn't even drive, and city councilors who always think they know what's best for you.

They say it's an experiment. But, if that's true, why are they already planning another roundabout on Route 9?

If you'd like to end the experiments, you can. Just remember the roundabouts.....when you vote.

That's our opinion. What's yours?

Aired by President/General Manager, Paul A. Sands




Editorial

Novemver 9, 2003

Roundabouts need discussion

If a plan recommended to the city on traffic control is enacted, patterns will change appreciably.

Traffic will speed up by being slowed down. Many traffic lights will give way to "roundabouts," small-scale, single-lane rotaries that are designed to keep vehicles moving through intersections. Four-way stop signs will become obsolete.

Proponents see all this as an enormous sign of progress.

We say that the proposals need far more study than has yet been done — specifically, the city engineer and police chief need to endorse them before a shovel is lifted.

The proposals are based on a study of the city by Dan Burden, touted as a nationally known expert on urban traffic. Among the many cities where he has redesigned flows is Seattle.

He is an exponent of the roundabout. They are 24-to-26-foot circles at intersections, such as the busy Broad-Catherine crossing, which allow one lane of traffic in each direction to proceed without benefit of — or interference from — a traffic light. Pedestrians’ crossings are enhanced by small islands midway through the roundabout.

The idea is that traffic will be slowed but not stopped. Slowing traffic is not only good for safety, Burden points out, but increases commercial activity because drivers are proceeding through the district slowly enough to notice stores and parking spaces.

Europeans, used to roundabouts instead of traffic lights, can’t believe all the stopping and starting in American cities, Burden says. Typically, despite the intentional slowing near intersections, traffic will average 19 mph in contrast to the 11 mph where traffic signs and signals are in effect.

Trucks have no trouble negotiating the roundabouts, and the rare collisions that occur are harmless sideswipes, as opposed to head-ons with traffic signals.

Burden hadn’t yet determined which intersections in Plattsburgh would benefit from roundabouts, but they would be numerous. Among them might be intersections in which traditional rectanglular blocks haven’t been followed, such as the Margaret-Boynton-Miller-Cumberland Avenue merger, the V at Broad and Rugar streets and U.S. Avenue-South Platt Street. The first to be installed might be the dangerous area outside Plattsburgh High School, at Angell Drive, where streets don’t line up.

In all candor, it’s too early to divine whether Burden has a point. Councilor Stuart Voss, council liaison to the Traffic Safety Committee, insists he does. In fact, we urge Voss to listen as intently to opponents of the proposals as to Burden before making up his mind.

We also strongly encourage the council to consult Police Chief Desmond Racicot and City Engineer Kevin Farrington before enacting anything. If they have reservations, those should be heeded.

Burden is very knowledgeable in his field, and his ideas may make perfect sense for Plattsburgh. Before making any decisions, though, the council must hear other voices and tap the expertise right here — those most familiar with the city — to see whether they are in step with the recommendations.

The whimsical definition of an expert is a guy from out of town. Let’s not neglect to hear what the guys in town have to say.

To contact the Press-Republican, Phone: (518) 561-2300 or send mail to:
Press-Republican, P.O. Box 459, Plattsburgh, NY 12901

Copyright 2003, Plattsburgh Publishing Co., Plattsburgh, NY,  Division of Ottaway Newspapers, Inc., Campbell Hall, NY.



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