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Plattsburgh, NY
May 1, 2004


News

 

Round we go

Debate intensifies over traffic control

By JOE LoTEMPLIO Staff Writer

PLATTSBURGH — With the debate over the city’s Rugar Street roundabout continuing to heat up, Mayor Daniel Stewart must be thinking he picked the right time to go to Florida for vacation.

People from both in and outside the city and public officials have been opining on the roundabout since it opened two weeks ago.

So far, public view seems to be strongly against the plan, an informal survey by the Press-Republican shows.

"We agreed to try this for six months, and it’s only been a few weeks, so I think we need to keep listening,’’ Councilor Glenn Olds (R-Ward 6) said.

TRAFFIC CONTROL

A roundabout is a one-lane, circular road; vehicles enter after yielding to cars inside and then drive to the right on their way to their desired exit.

The city’s first roundabout was installed at the intersection of Rugar Street, Prospect Avenue and George Angell Drive in front of Plattsburgh High School.

The goal was to slow down and smooth out traffic, which becomes extremely heavy in the morning when school begins and in the afternoon when classes let out.

But some motorists have complained about the roundabout, saying it is too small and too confusing for drivers, especially for older people.

Ronnie Rinn, who owns a sanitation business, showed up at two Common Council meetings to tell city councilors he thinks the roundabout is an accident waiting to happen, and that it could cause damage to trucks.

This week, he asked city councilors to pass a resolution remove it.

"The council needs to listen to what the people have to say,’’ he said.

PROVEN TO WORK

But Councilor Stuart Voss (I-Ward 3), who supports the roundabout idea, said people need to give it a chance.

"People think this idea dropped down from outer space; well, it didn’t,’’ he said.

"We researched this all over the country, and studies show roundabouts reduce the number of accidents by 80 to 90 percent nationwide.’’

Robert Heins, a Clinton County legislator from the city, said he worries that ambulances and snowplows will have difficulty using the roundabout.

Larger vehicles, such as fire trucks and tractor-trailer trucks, have to drive over the center curb of the roundabout to make it through.

"If you’re in an ambulance and run over that thing you won’t need a defibrillator,’’ Heins said.

City Public Works Manager Kevin Murphy said Friday that plowing the roundabout won’t be a problem.

"We have smaller plows that will fit, and if we have to we can use a front-end loader.

"Whatever we need to do to clear it, we will do.’’

CHANGE IN DESIGN

If the council decides to make the roundabout permanent after the six-month trial period, it will be redesigned.

City Engineer Kevin Farrington explained that the yellow curbing will be replaced with painted lines.

The center circle will have an inner area that’s five inches high surrounded by an outer rim of brick-like material that will be elevated about two inches.

Larger vehicles are expected to drive over the outer, two-inch circle when going through, which should not cause damage to vehicles, Farrington said.

The same design is being considered for a roundabout at the intersection of Route 9 and New York Avenue near the entrance to the former Plattsburgh Air Force Base.

If the conversation about the Rugar Street roundabout is any indication, the Route 9 roundabout will be equally interesting.

"You’re going to spend all that money on a roundabout at the base when there isn’t even that many cars that go through there, and there is no problem,’’ resident Dickie Rinn said.

"That’s taxation without representation and come election day, we might make our own roundabout.’’


 
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The Arizona Republic

May 1, 2004

Taking the roundabout way home

State transportation officials have just approved putting in roundabouts in 15 locations in the state. These new kind of intersections, alternately called traffic circles or rotaries, take some time to get used to.

They do change traffic flow, and the roundabout at Happy Valley Road functions with the same efficiency and effectiveness as a Grand Avenue six-way intersection. In other words, pack your lunch; you're going to be there for a while.

I work on Seventh Street just south of Happy Valley Road. Currently, the only roundabouts in the Valley are at Interstate 17 and Happy Valley Road. There are two - one on each side of the interstate. So, if I take Happy Valley Road from Peoria, I encounter the first one where you'd normally hit a traffic light. To go through and proceed over I-17, you just swerve slightly, pretty much a half-moon shape, and continue to the next one on the east side of 1-17, where you do it again.

If you wanted to get onto the freeway, you'd go about a quarter of the way around the half-moon shape and get onto the freeway's entry ramp.

Easy and safe, according to the state, which says it slows traffic and reduces severe accidents.

Well, I can guarantee it slows traffic. Sometimes the traffic moves so slowly that it's motionless.

When the roundabouts first went in they were great. No problems. But as growth has caught up to the area and traffic increased on Happy Valley, they've turned into a nightmare. When the road is packed with vehicles, drivers are unsure of when they are allowed to go and when they are supposed to yield. This definitely causes some problems.

For example, on the approach from the east, there are two lanes of traffic on Happy Valley Road as you enter the roundabout. In theory, the cars in the right-hand lane start around the half-moon and then bear to the right and get onto the I-17 ramp and go north.

But many, if not most, drivers either don't know that or don't care. They get frustrated at the traffic backing up as people pull up and stop and wonder what to do. So, instead of waiting their turn, they get into the right-hand lane, ignore the I-17 on-ramp and blow through the half-moon. The resulting sudden compression of traffic going from two lanes to one as you drive around a half-moon shape is quite exciting. According to the paper, they have a lot of "fender benders" there. No kidding?

Maybe this could be solved with a design change for future roundabouts. Maybe it could be cured with driver education. I don't know.

What I do know is that traversing roundabouts is as much fun and efficient as going through a six-way intersection on Grand Avenue. So I avoid it and have found another route home.

I'm not going to tell you what streets I use now. You can wait your turn at the roundabout.

Bob Barrett is a former Arizona Republic reporter and editor. He currently is a member of the Peoria City Council representing the Ironwood District. He can be reached at bobbar@peoriaaz.com. The views expressed are those of the author.

 

APRIL 23, 2004

The Independent

K'hook planners in roundabout go-round

By: MATTHEW SHEEHEY 04/23/2004

NIVERVILLE-The Planning Board watched a rerun Wednesday night of the Department of Transportation's roundabout roadshow.


Engineer Howard McCulloch returned to Kinderhook Town Hall to explain how roundabouts can transform New York's intersections into free-flowing, scenic landmarks that cut down on car accidents and save people time.
      
Planners and councilmen saw a longer version of his presentation a month or so ago, but his presence was helpful as the board sought to reach agreement in principle on the Widewaters Group's site plan for its shopping plaza at the Route 9/9H intersection.
       Mr. McCulloch and fellow DOT Engineer Rich Dillman fielded several questions, leaving the board satisfied for the most part.
       "I find it interesting that here's another area where the Europeans are ahead of us," said Ed Simonsen, chairman of the board, referring to the ubiquity of roundabouts in France and the United Kingdom. "A well-designed roundabout certainly appears safe to me."
       Widewaters wants to put a three-building shopping center at the intersection of Routes 9 and 9H and replace its traffic signals with a roundabout, a controversial component of the project site plan under review by the Planning Board.
      
Plaza opponents from Kinderhook Neighbors for Good Growth have argued in recent months that a roundabout would threaten the safety of drivers and walkers, especially students from nearby Ichabod Crane.
       Just before Wednesday's workshop, the group submitted a list of questions from engineering firm Camp Dresser & McKee, prompting the Planning Board to hold off on deciding whether to support the roundabout concept.
       Shelly Johnston, a traffic engineer working with the planners, will review those concerns before the next board meeting, May 13.
       KNGG attorney Jeff Baker, who attended Wednesday's workshop with several members of the group, refuted Mr. McCulloch's claim that Camp Dresser & McKee's engineers were not experts on roundabouts.
       Mr. Baker said yesterday the firm includes an engineer who designed two roundabouts and actually supports their use.
       The potential problem with the Widewaters Group's design, he said, is its use of two lanes instead of one to send southbound traffic to 9 or 9H.
      
"The traffic flows and interest of safety are not the same in one- and two-lane roundabouts," said Mr. Baker, who also wants DOT to perform a study on the roundabout's impacts on nearby roads like Maple Lane.
      
Maple Lane residents, he said, "need the breaks [in traffic provided by a traffic light] to get onto the road." Planner Richard Anderson also raised that argument.
      
"The roundabout may not make it much better, but it won't make it any worse," said Mr. McCulloch.
       Mr. Baker said the Widewaters site plan needs to say whether the developer will put lights at the roundabout, and he argued the DOT comparisons to a new Voorheesville roundabout were misleading because it's busier here.
       Planning Board member Gerard Minot-Scheuermann said the sites Mr. McCulloch showed were mostly three- and four-leg roundabouts, not five-leg roundabouts like the Widewaters proposal.
       He also worried that people will approach the roundabout at high speeds on 9 and 9H, which have 55 mph speed limits in parts.
       "It's impossible," said Mr. McCulloch, reiterating the roundabout's ability to dictate speed because of its tight radius. "They slow down or lose control."
       But Mr. Minot-Scheuermann, carrying homework after the previous DOT meeting, also had problems with DOT comparisons between the proposal here and a roundabout near a school in Montpelier, VT.
       He said the urban Vermont school has 317 students and staff, while Ichabod Crane is home to 2,116 people, the majority of whom ride the bus and drive.
       "We have a unique situation where we have a campus at our school," said the board member. "Your comparison, at best, is apples to tangerines."
       Mr. McCulloch referred the board to the video he had just shown about a roundabout near a suburban school in Wisconsin, where the bus drivers, administrators, highway workers, and students all favored the traffic scheme.
       Planner Mary Ellen Hern asked about the potential impact of a Dunkin Donuts proposed for the 9/9H intersection.
       "That's really intersection-independent," said Mr. McCulloch, referring to potential lines of customers waiting to get into the shop on 9H or exit onto 9. "It will still handle this situation better than a signalized intersection."
       Roundabouts, he said, reduce speed, the number of driver decisions and conflict points, and the severity of car accidents.
       "It's pretty much like taking a right turn out of your driveway," said Mr. McCulloch.

©The Independent 2004

 APRIL 23, 2004  

  The Register-Star

 

DOT takes roundabout to planning board

By Joe Prout KINDERHOOK -- The Department of Transportation's roundabout guru, Howard McCulloch, came before the town Planning Board Wednesday to rehash a presentation he made for town residents in March.

While the jokes were old, McCulloch did present new information based on feedback from the earlier meeting. Also new were the Widewaters Group's latest plans, which incorporated proposed changes from Planning Board recommendations in March and gave viewers a first glance at the DOT-approved roundabout design.

For more than two years, the Planning Board has been reviewing The Widewaters Group's proposal for a shopping center located at the intersection of Routes 9 and 9H and State Farm Road. The proposal has three buildings, and a roundabout was proposed to handle the expected increases to area traffic.

Some of McCulloch's new information updated his previous statements on Americans with Disabilities Act compliance. While he previously said roundabouts had issues of compliance with ADA, this time he said they are, legally speaking, acceptable -- but under review.

He also presented more information on five-legged roundabouts as they appear across the country, but members of the audience pointed out how the examples still don't match what is associated with Widewaters. Critics of the roundabout have said the DOT hasn't been able to produce a five-legged design in a commercial/residential area with a school for safety comparison.

Planning Board members asked for details on the potential expansion of the roundabout, and queried whether there would be potential impact from the Dunkin' Donuts store proposed near the intersection. McCulloch said if there is a question on expansion to provide capacity for future growth, then the roundabout should be built with the two lanes from the start, instead of starting with one and later adding a second lane.

McCulloch said the two-lane proposal would last longer than the single lane. "With this design, I don't think you'll have a problem with this for well over 30 years," he said.

McCulloch told the board that he didn't account for the Dunkin' Donuts proposal because his focus was just on the roundabout.

On lighting, McCulloch suggests putting a pole by every leg, positioned to shed light on where pedestrians would walk so vehicles can see them before the intersection.

The depth of the presentation by DOT representatives has impressed Board Chairman Ed Simonsen. "The presentations ... have been outstanding. They have been very, very informative."

Of roundabouts in general, Simonsen said the European acceptance of the roundabout has eased his concern about them, and said a well-designed roundabout appears effective.

The board's traffic consultant, Shelly Johnston, also supported the roundabout. She approved of how a two-lane roundabout would extend the viable life of the intersection.

One concern raised by Widewaters officials was that it seemed with all new information presented, there was always new consultant analysis, which lead to suggestions, then changes, then new consultant reviews and analysis.

Updating the board on changes to the site plan, Widewaters representative Marco Marzocchi said the latest plan had a cross-access note that the board requested --- but both parties agreed to have more discussion on the topic. Board lighting issues were addressed, and the landscaping plant list was updated. A requested fence around the retention pond in the rear (south side) of the property was added, and Widewaters added a plan note that said no additional buildings will be added to the parcel.

Since the earlier plan was withdrawn by the town, the Planning Board decided to send this revised version to the county planning board

August 8, 2003

The Independent

Planner faults circle logic

By: RICHARD ROTH 08/08/2003
EXCERPTS:

KINDERHOOK--A member of the town Planning Board has leveled detailed technical criticisms of a roundabout proposed for the intersection of Routes 9 and 9H, State Farm Road, a key part of the proposed $10 million Widewaters shopping plaza. 

"I think this whole thing is being treated too lightly," said Planning Board member Charles Shattenkirk, speaking at an informational meeting at North Pointe Cultural Center on Wednesday evening, August 6.

His comments were directed at Richard Dillmann, Assistant Regional Traffic Engineer with the New York State Department of Transportation (DOT); and Gordon Stansbury and William Holthoff of Sear Brown, an engineering and planning consulting firm employed by the Widewaters Group.

Taking the floor after town residents were given an opportunity to confront the engineers with their comments and questions at the meeting, Mr. Shattenkirk began by telling the consultants their preliminary plan contains significant inaccuracies.

"This is not a circle, it's an oval," he said, suggesting that the consultants had intentionally elongated the traffic pattern because the state-owned right-of-way is not sufficient to accommodate the 150-foot roundabout the consulting firm has proposed.

In addition, he said, "You don't own enough property for the deceleration lanes."
DOT officials have said that the right-of-way is sufficient, but scale drawings have not yet been filed. Sear Brown engineer William Holthoff, when pressed for an explanation, said a strip of land would be carved out of the property owned by Widewaters, the developer, if necessary.

Mr. Shattenkirk directed several comments to the the state DOT engineer, Mr. Dillmann, saying that both Routes 9 and 9H are "on the federal network." Because of that, he said, the state would have to comply with federal highway standards on such features as raised traffic islands, curbing, and proper handicap accessibility.

A federal regulation the DOT plan overlooks completely, he said, requires roads intersecting a roundabout to "enter at equal angles." While the entrances for Routes 9 and 9H are almost immediately adjacent on the south side of the roundabout as drawn, the angle separating Route 9 to the north and the proposed shopping center entrance to the east is greater than 90 degrees.

Mr. Dillmann acknowledged that federal regulations apply but did not directly address Mr. Shattenkirk's comments.
In response to another question from Mr. Shattenkirk, Mr. Dillmann said the department's regional traffic engineer would be responsible for reviewing the the proposal.

Planning Board Chairman Ed Simonsen said he wanted town residents to know that decisions are not being made at the local level in any case.
"Praise or blame is not for the Planning Board or the Town Board," said Mr. Simonsen. "We have not been part of the process. That's a real sore point, and it's not going to go away."

Shelley Johnston of Creighton Manning Engineering, a firm employed by the Town of Kinderhook, asked the Sear Brown and DOT engineers to provide a more detailed plan as soon as possible so that its impact on adjacent property owners could be assessed.

"It would be helpful to have a one-half-mile radius from the roundabout," said Ms. Johnston. "We need to look at it more as a system, not just one intersection.

The engineers have said private driveways in the immediate vicinity will have to be modified, and they anticipate a reduction in the speed limit to 35 mph on Routes 9 and 9H beginning approximately half a mile from the roundabout in either direction.

Numerous members of the audience offered their opinions on the roundabout, with some questioning whether it meets the goals of the town's comprehensive plan, which says the town's rural, agricultural character should be maintained. Others expressed concerns about traffic safety, with the engineers replying that accident rates typically go down "50 to 60%" after roundabouts replace traffic lights.

The problem of pedestrian crossings was brought up several times. Tunnels are not a satisfactory solution, according to the engineers, because people are afraid to use them; and overhead bridges would be impractical because of the ramp length required to make them handicap accessible.

The original Widewaters proposal called for access through the traffic lights currently operating at the 9-9H intersection. But the DOT determined that lights were impractical for a 5-legged intersection and proposed building a roundabout instead.

Copies of the preliminary roundabout plan are available for inspection at the Kinderhook Town Hall and at the Kinderhook Memorial and Valatie Libraries.

The meeting Wednesday was yet another step in a long process leading to submission by the developer of a formal environmental impact statement. The project cannot proceed without an approved impact statement.       

 Drawings included in the Draft Environmental Impact Statement prepared by the company (Widewaters) do not specify measurements. Gordon Stansbury of Sear, Brown, an engineering firm that was consulted on the project, told the audience at a hearing last month that the roundabout would be 140 feet in diameter. A "truck apron" on the center island would provide extra room for trucks and buses to negotiate the circle.

The matter is entirely up to the Town of Kinderhook and the Department of Transportation, according to Dave Chapman of the Columbia County Traffic Safety Board. "There are no county roads in that area," said Mr. Chapman.

The Town Board had no immediate comment on issues brought up at the meeting. The approval process is in the hands of the Town Planning Board, which must make its determination based on planning and environmental concerns.

 
  


 LJWorld.com | The Lawrence Journal-World

WALL STREET JOURNAL | 1/18/02 | RICK BROOKS

For Safety's Sake,
Roundabouts Replaced Stop Lights,
but Pileups Began Piling Up

By RICK BROOKS
Staff Reporter of THE WALL STREET JOURNAL

CLEARWATER, Fla. -- Carol Cullen had 15 years of dent-free driving under her belt when she steered a rented van last July onto a new circular intersection here. Seconds later, a delivery truck that was supposed to stay in the next lane plowed into the van, leaving Ms. Cullen unhurt but disoriented.

"The whole world is trained to look straight ahead," says Ms. Cullen, who sets up promotional displays for Hilton Hotels Corp. "Now they've got us trying to stare around curves?"

It seemed like a good idea at the time. The $8 million Clearwater roundabout would replace a dangerous tangle of streets and intersections often choked with beach-bound traffic. It would create an artistic entry point for visitors.

Confusion Reigns

But since opening in December 1999, the roundabout has scared the wits out of drivers trying to navigate it. No one knows which cars are supposed to have the right-of-way. Some discombobulated motorists hug the right shoulder, making it hard for other cars to exit and causing backups at side streets. The wedding-cake-shaped fountain in the center has doused windshields and obstructed views of cars rounding the circle from the opposite side.[Roundabouts]

So far, there have been more than 500 accidents at the roundabout, which was touted at its opening as the greatest ever built in the U.S. The site "has been very good for business," says James McKeever, manager of nearby Pinellas Auto Body & Service Inc, which had one of its own tow trucks hit there. The frequency of accidents is eight times higher at the roundabout than at the intersections it replaced. City officials say the crashes are less severe, primarily because cars are now moving more slowly.

It's a similar story elsewhere. As traffic planners across the U.S. rip out stop signs to install roundabouts that can slow aggressive drivers, some cities are discovering that these so-called "traffic-calming devices" do exactly the opposite. Some drivers go the wrong way, figuring it's OK to turn left into the roundabout if you plan to hop off at the first side street. Trucks flatten curbs and landscaping. In some places, accident rates have surged after the installation of roundabouts, causing them to be razed in favor of old-fashioned traffic lights or stop signs.

The Circle Game

Roundabout designers, a number of whom are British or Australian, grudgingly acknowledge that they have a lot to teach Americans about going in circles. In April 2000, officials in Claremont, Calif., demolished the town's only roundabout just eight months after it was installed, saying drivers found it bewildering. Driver confusion at two roundabouts near Las Vegas has put them on Nevada's annual list of the worst crash spots. A video called "Roundabout Rules of the Road" was broadcast in Nashville, Tenn., for several weeks last year after a roundabout opened on Music Row.

In Clearwater, disoriented drivers smacked into each other or into the fountain at the an average of almost five a week. Tires squeal, horns honk and brakes screech as drivers try to make their way through the loop.

The nearby beach is also harder to reach without taking a spin around the circle. "It's a monster, and I was an engineer myself," says retiree Bernice Lazar, who takes a nine-mile detour to avoid the roundabout.

Roundabouts are the latest incarnation of the circular intersections that began in this country with New York City's Columbus Circle in 1905. Defenders claim the modern roundabout is a much-safer alternative to the traditional traffic circles typical of New England, which were usually larger rotaries that didn't slow cars much and gradually fell out of favor. The new roundabouts -- based on a slimmed-down British version -- are designed with a much smaller diameter, making the circle tighter and forcing drivers to lower speeds to about 15 miles an hour.

Forced Slowdown

The circles' defenders claim they are safer than typical intersections, since drivers are forced to navigate slowly. About 9,500 fatal accidents occur at traditional intersections every year, according to the Federal Highway Administration. Several academic studies have shown declines in crashes where roundabouts were built, including in Europe, but federal officials say it depends on where and how the circles are built.

"You can't just put these down everywhere," says Harry Campbell, the chief transportation engineer of Orlando, Fla., which spent $25,000 to build a small circle and then concluded that four $75 stop signs would have worked better. "It's like art," he says of the roundabout-building boom. "It evokes controversy."

The controversy erupted quickly in Clearwater. As the pileups piled up, some drivers began adopting survival techniques that reduce the efficiency of roundabouts, like straddling both lanes at once to avoid side collisions. Angry drivers flooded city hall and local newspapers with complaints.

Missing Arrows

And some roundabout rules don't make much sense, including permitting cars to exit from the inside lane. At the most notorious exit point in the Clearwater circle, there still are no arrows on the pavement to point drivers in the right direction. On busy beach-going days, the roundabout has handled more than 50,000 vehicles, much more than the 32,000 it was designed for.

Clearwater is trying to turn things around. The fountain has been turned off and is likely to be demolished, and changes to lane markings give drivers a better idea of where to aim. The most recent accident reports also offer some encouragement: 23 crashes in the final three months of last year compared with 49 in the same period in 2000.

Michael Wallwork, a transplanted Australian who helped design Clearwater's roundabout, pins much of the blame on drivers. "A lot of the opposition to roundabouts comes from a very simple bias," he says. "Americans are fed a diet of speed all the way from freeways to residential streets."



Durham Herald-Sun
http://www.herald-sun.com/

Traffic circle new twist for drivers

By JOE ENGLERT, The Herald-Sun
October 28, 2001  

DURHAM -- A new traffic roundabout at Glendale Avenue and Washington Street has left a lot of drivers’ heads spinning.

Neighborhood residents say they’ve seen numerous driving mistakes since the one-way circle was installed more than a month ago.

Some drivers, they say, have gone the wrong way or stopped in the middle of the roundabout. Others have made U-turns after going down the wrong road.

But city traffic engineer Philip Loziuk says the roundabout, built to handle traffic detoured onto nearby Club Boulevard from widening work on Interstate 85, will be easy to navigate once drivers become accustomed to the rules:

-- Approach the roundabout at about 15 mph.

-- Obey yield signs at each entry point.

-- Wait for a sufficient gap in circulating traffic. Cars already in the roundabout have the right of way.

-- Signal before exiting.

Loziuk said the roundabout -- which differs from older traffic circles with signal lights -- has succeeded as a so-called traffic-calming measure. Similar circles will be used in new development projects in Durham, he said.

Cheryl Sweeney, who lives near the intersection, said many of her neighbors like the roundabout because it has slowed traffic.

"This is wonderful because there are a lot of families with young children around here," she said.

But Sweeney said some of her neighbors have concerns. People whose property touches the roundabout have complained that they have lost parking spaces and have difficulty getting in and out of their driveways, she said.

A concrete island blocks access to one resident’s driveway. The resident must make a U-turn after exiting the roundabout to get home. Loziuk said the city is working with the resident to solve the problem.

Sweeney said many of her neighbors have had trouble walking across the roundabout to get to the nearby Club Boulevard Elementary School.

"There are people coming at us at three directions," Michelle Graham said as she tried to walk her dogs across the roundabout to a nearby park. "And those are the people who know where they are going. We still have people going the wrong way."

The roundabout has no crosswalks, but Loziuk said they might be in place soon.

Large tire marks were visible in the soil more than 4 feet from the edge of the island, where residents said tractor-trailers have gotten stuck. Once a truck driver had to bend down a road sign to clear the way for his dislodged vehicle, stopping traffic for several minutes.

Loziuk said a roundabout would function better in a new subdivision and is bound to cause problems in an older neighborhood.

Despite the residents’ concerns, the roundabout will remain even after the detour is removed.

Sweeney and some her neighbors plan to install small plants in the island at the center of the roundabout.

"In a way, the circle has really brought our neighborhood together," she said.

Loziuk said no accidents have been reported and that roundabouts reduce the risk of serious accidents by slowing traffic.

In March, researchers reported that roundabouts reduce deadly automobile accidents at intersections by nearly 90 percent.

Durham, like many other cities nationwide, plans to look more toward roundabouts to solve future traffic problems, Loziuk said.

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 © St. Petersburg Times

published August 1, 2000

Letters to the Editors

Roundabouts' problems can be smoothed out 


Editor's note: Today's letters are from readers who have suggestions about the roundabout, or traffic circle, with a large fountain in the middle that now greets visitors to Clearwater Beach.


I've only lived and worked at Clearwater Beach since 1983, so I must rely on old newspaper articles and editorials about how bad traffic jams were before then, but I know what it has been like since 1983, and I know that more cars are getting to the beach faster with the roundabout than was the case previously.

And I know that I get where I'm going faster than I did before the roundabout. In terms of movement, it delivers as promised.

The trade-off, unfortunately, has been a startling number of fender benders, and without question that situation must be adressed.

Since we cannot do anything about the small but frightening group of drivers who seem to believe that the world does in fact revolve around them and that they must therefore have the right of way onto, within and out of the roundabout, we must do something about the design and operation of the roundabout itself.

I think it is safe to say that many if not most of the accidents occur when someone exits from the inside (left) lane and either hits or is hit by someone going round in the outside (right) lane.

I have yet to locate a single other place in Clearwater (or anywhere for that matter) where it is accepted practice to turn across traffic without an approving sign or light, but this is supposed to work on the roundabout? I don't think so.

Either the right lane must turn right, or the inside lane must merge right before an exit, or we will continue to have a high accident rate. It just doesn't seem that complicated.

By the way, the expert's report recently referenced by the media concluded that "the roundabout was the only alternative that came close to meeting all the aims and objectives of the project," that "it was selected as it offered environmental, capacity, safety and pedestrian advantages over the other alternatives," that "although the roundabout has had problems since it opened, these are problems of detail that can be corrected," and that "they (the problems) in no way detract from the sound strategic choice to build a roundabout."

I don't remember seeing this in the newspapers or hearing it from the electronic media, but then these conclusions don't fit the media story line, do they?
-- John Doran, Clearwater

Hoping the fountain hits a permanent drought

As the Clearwater City Commission struggles to find ways to make this monstrosity (the Clearwater Beach roundabout) safe for the public and reasonably functional, I hope they seriously consider eliminating the BSF (Big Stupid Fountain) in the middle.

I'm really tired of having my freshly washed cars and motorcycles trashed by wind spraying fountain water on me.

I'm also convinced that this spray causes a safety problem by suddenly obscuring driver vision on occasion.

How on God's green earth can they justify spending taxpayer dollars at the rate of $238,000 per year to maintain this thing?

Do us all a favor and get rid of the fountain.
-- Tom Maguire, Clearwater

Take down the center wall that blocks a drivers' views

Re: Poorly designed roundabout must go, eventually, July 27 letter.

If you start with an ill-conceived design and mix in the uninitiated, an uncertainty factor and volume, you have a recipe for disaster. Letter writer I.R. Slonaker of Dunedin is right in urging the elimination of the stone wall center in the Clearwater Beach roundabout. Give us the ability to at least see what is facing us.

Given the designer's original mess, it can be a relatively low-cost solution to one element of the problem.
-- Leo Welsh, Belleair

Crossing from an inside to an outside exit lane doesn't work

Consider this: You're on a four-lane, divided street, traveling in the inside (left) lane, and you make a right turn from that left lane. What would happen? You'd cause an accident and be ticketed.

Why, then, do the powers-that-be want us to exit the roundabout from the inside lane, crossing over the right (outside) lane? It makes absolutely no sense.

If we had one, wide lane around the entire mess, plus an outside lane to be used for exit or entrance only, it would be much safer.

I teach AARP's 55 Alive classes and my students advised me to get on the roundabout and stay in the outside lane. The inside lane is only for someone who wants to create an accident. I took their advice, and it works beautifully.
-- Eleanor Vosbein, Dunedin

Changing the rotary should reduce switching lanes

Historically, the successful use of a rotary has been limited to those sites with large available areas. A good rotary must provide adequate sightlines and not restrict traffic from changing lanes.

The available area of the Clearwater Beach roundabout must be better and fully utilized. The roadway should be relocated as far as possible from the structure around the perimeter of the available area and should be basically a single lane with long ingress and egress lanes to permit safe merging and diverging. Access points to and from the rotary should be limited .

This configuration will eliminate most dangerous blind spots for drivers by drastically reducing lane changes.
-- Leslie Nafis, Dunedin

Maybe it's not the design but the heavy feet of drivers

The Clearwater Beach turnabout is great. All you have to do is slow down to 15 mph and it is an enjoyable drive.

And the Park Boulevard Bridge is also great if you slow down to 25 mph for the curve instead of taking it at 50 mph or 60 mph as most people do.

People must learn to slow down for curves. They must learn to put down their cell phones, slow down and be prepared to stop.
-- Ray Moore, Seminole

Maybe we should have looked closely at rural roundabouts

As I understand the purpose of a roundabout, it is used in rural areas to keep the flow of traffic moving. It eliminates the purpose of a stop sign at a crossroads intersection with little traffic.

As traffic increases, a stoplight would be needed.

Somebody goofed. Clearwater residents had better keep their eyes open for bridge salesmen.
-- Donald F. Kelly, St. Petersburg

19 signs distract a driver's eyes from focusing on the road

Trying to manage the roundabout when you know where you are going is difficult. If you don't know the route, it is impossible.

So, the creators of Roundabout Roulette have come to the rescue in the form of signs, signs and more signs. From the entrance to the roundabout to the exit at Coronado, I counted 19 signs.

For the most part these signs listed names of the streets on Clearwater Beach. Even if that was a good idea, the printing on those signs is too small to read even at 10 mph.

Solution: Tampa Airport directs its passengers with just two basic signs. One points the way to the red terminals with a BIG red sign listing all the "red"' airlines.

The other sign does the same for the "blue" airlines.

Clearwater Beach's BIG red sign could list all the streets on South Beach and its BIG blue sign could list the streets on North Beach, thus two signs doing the job of 19 and allowing drivers to look at something else . . . like other drivers.
-- Fred Nassif, Clearwater

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The Portsmouth Herald

Portsmouth, NH

July 16, 1999

Traffic circle escapes planned development, but not the threat

The good news is that a Rockingham Superior Court judge ruled two weeks ago that current state statutes prohibit a development proposed for the state liquor-store site at the Portsmouth traffic circle.

The bad news is that the Legislature will always have the power to change those laws and make a similar development legal _ possibly including the talked-about fast-food outlet _ at the already hectic traffic circle.

Judge Gillian L. Abramson ruled that a plan by Portsmouth Circle Enterprises to locate four restaurants, as well as expand the liquor store, violates New Hampshire law. The proposal, Abramson decided, violates a state statute that prohibits commercial development on limited-access highways.

For all those who are worried about motor vehicles entering and exiting a restaurant whose egress would be located just off the city traffic circle, Abramson's decision is a welcome one. In addition, the Portsmouth School Department, which was concerned about fast-food establishments attracting youngsters from the nearby New Franklin School, will probably be relieved.

Finally, neighborhood residents of the Rockingham Avenue area will be happy to know the noise and lights that might be associated with such a development won't be impinging on their area. It's interesting to note, however, that the neighborhood residents of Woodbury Avenue raised few objections when Howard Johnson, on the opposite side of the traffic circle, recently built a multistory hotel near their homes. Of course, a hotel may not attract the volume of vehicles as busy restaurants.

Anyway, city residents and their elected representatives will have to be vigilant on the traffic circle issue. Safety concerns mandate that at some point the circle should be reconstructed as an overpass exchange or some other scheme that better funnels the traffic from four busy highways. But that may not stop either the state or private developers from seeing the circle as a revenue opportunity.

This issue is likely to be with the city for a long time. State Sen. Burt Cohen, Mayor Evelyn Sirrell, neighborhood activist Lenore Weiss-Bronson and others have been vigilant thus far. But they will have to keep their eyes open to protect the interests of their constituents for the long haul.




 

 
 
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