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JUNE 29, 2004 TO: All
KNGG Members
This
week:
Wednesday
night June 30th - Town Hall - 6:30 PM
Planning
Board meets with Town Board to discuss Town Zoning Code changes.
Wednesday
night June 30th - Town Hall - 8:00 PM
The Planning
Board meets with Widewaters to discus and check the amendments to the
latest amended FDEIS (Final Draft Environmental Impact Statement).
Thursday
night - July 1st - Town Hall - 7:30 PM
At The
ZBA
Widewaters is expected to ask for a variance for an
additional curb cut.
They are entitled to two, one for each road, US9 and
NY 9H. They want and additional one.
Still on the burner for them at the ZBA is their roof
variance - they are suppose to get back to the ZBA with new information
which they have not done.
Dunkin'
Donuts - The Public Hearing continues
The Town has hired a traffic engineer to evaluate the
Dunkin' Donuts traffic study.
It is complete and will be on the agenda. A
determination may be made.
Our attorney, Jeff Baker, will be attending the
Thursday ZBA meeting. Both meetings are open to the public. Please
join us.
The public is invited to speak during the Public
Hearing only.
Please remember to send in your tax deductible
contribution.
June 25, 2004
TO: All KNGG Members
Thank you. More checks have been arriving! If you haven't sent yours in, please do. Let's keep KNGG healthy! Regarding roundabout experts: "The whimsical definition of an 'expert' is a guy from out of town. Let’s not neglect to hear what the guys in town have to say." -- The Plattsburg Press-Republican November 9, 2003 - regarding a DOT traffic engineer who does not drive, yet had been recommending a roundabout for Plattsburgh.
Goodbye, Bad Ideas This time backing up is a good thing. The City of Plattsburgh's common council has finally come to its senses...the council decided to get rid of the ridiculous Rugar Street roundabout. --The
Plattsburgh Press-Republican, Wednesday, May 12, 2004 To read more about the Plattsburgh
roundabout controversy visit the KNGG on the web at www.kngg.org - go to ROUNDABOUT and click
on “Plattsburgh.”
You have influence too…
We must show the Planning Board members that we are still here and they will need to answer to us as well. We need to get our "SAFETY YES" signs up again. KNGG does have a supply on hand. Let's get those signs up again and let 'em know we're still here! Let 'em know we don't want that strip mall blocking our Catskill views And we don't want that experimental roundabout either!
To get a free KNGG lawn sign for you and your friends,
relatives and neighbors, call: Abbey
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Chiafullo 758-2944 - Weekends only Let's show them we are not asleep and that we still care. Put out a lawn sign or two today!
Special Planning Board meeting set for June 30The meeting will commence at 6:30 PM at the Town Hall. First on the agenda: A discussion of “Code Book housekeeping” The Town Board has been invited to participate. If Widewaters has its act together, they will be back with the revised FDEIS (Final Draft Environmental Impact Statement). This document will need to be checked/reviewed to see that all changes and amendments the Planning Board has requested have actually been done. Once this is completed, a vote will be taken to determine if the FDEIS will be accepted as the FEIS (Final Environmental Impact Statement). Lafarge: Expert hired to review tire-burn plan The big box we all love to hate is up to no good making big bucks by cheating their staff. These are people whose salary is so low that they qualify for food stamps. We saw it in the PBS documentary we showed in 2002, "Store Wars," and now someone is doing something about it. Please see the article below. June 22, 2004
TO: All
KNGG Members
The Register-Star EditorialMonday
June 21, 2004
The roundabout is the best way to
go
It’s
beginning to seem famous – or infamous – roundabout is the correct solution to
the traffic increase expected if the Widewaters development-project is
approved. Widewaters, Inc. is the Syracuse firm seeking to build a
strip shopping center in Kinderhook near (at) the intersection of Routes 9 and
9H. The
center’s anchor retail is to be a Hannaford Bros. Grocery store. It’s been
two years since the project was first brought to the Town Board (Planning Board)
and has stirred much controversy. Some residents don’t want a big box grocery
store in bucolic Kinderhook. Others dislike the clutter of a strip center
on land with a view of the Catskills that has been farmed for centuries. Still others fear
the traffic increase the grocery store (restaurant and other shops) will create
so near the Ichabod Crane Central School. The state
Department of Transportation looked into this last concern and proposed a
traffic roundabout for the intersection. This solution itself has generated
controversy, with much resident skepticism that a roundabout would be a safe
solution. But the
Town Planning Board recently hired a traffic engineer to study the
intersection.
Peter Faith, of the firm of Edwards and Kelcey, was asked to assess the
value of a roundabout not only for traffic projected for the Widewaters project,
but for additional traffic expected to be generated by a proposed Dunkin’ Donuts
store nearby (at the same intersection). Faith’s conclusion mirror’s that of the
DOT. Faith
pointed out, if the Dunkin’ Donuts project is approved, 35 to 40 vehicles
heading north each morning during the peak traffic hour would seek to turn left
into the Dunkin’ Donut’s shop. The engineer concluded rightly (?) we
believe, those vehicles would have difficulty seeing on-coming traffic
(especially, we might add, at the speed the traffic currently runs). His conclusion was
a roundabout would slow traffic and allow those who want coffee and a donut to
circle into the Dunkin Donuts lot without danger from oncoming cars. Neither
the DOT nor Faith have been asked to pass judgment on either of the proposed
retail establishments, of course. That’s not their function, nor their areas of
expertise. But
it seems reasonable to conclude from two sets of independent opinions that if
these projects are approved by the planning board, a roundabout is the best
method for controlling traffic at the intersection. We
encourage the Kinderhook Planning Board to come to the same conclusion so it may
move on to other issues in its long running study of the Widewaters
project. KNGG Responds: We respond to the above
non-researched editorial with a quote from a letter written just this week to
Diane Whelton from Mr. Burns, a man with experience, of the United Kingdom.
From: RDLBurns To: 'Diane Whelton'
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 3:59 AM Subject: RE: Ewenny Roundabout I was recently elected to our major Council and will be looking into the matter (a roundabout) on behalf of our constituents. It seems to me that our roundabout issues are not
comparable to yours to a great extent. What is common is the belief by traffic engineers
that they know better, that their computer modelling is superior to common
sense. I have yet to find a computer modelling system with the 'common
sense' variable in the program! Regards, Bob Burns
Councillor Bob Burns Bridgend County Borough Council 01656 647060 KNGG
could not say it better. Please take a look at the ROUNDABOUT section
of our web site at www.kngg.org. The page titled “Road Show” is our criticism
of DOT engineer, Howard McCulloch’s favorable roundabout proposal.
Our ROUNDABOUT chapter will enlighten you and frighten you with many scary facts, the ones Widewaters doesn't want you to know. Please wrire write a rebuttal letter to the editor. Please send it to editorial@registerstar.com It’s really frightening that this Howard McCulloch may be allowed to stick us with a roundabout, having never looked at the US9/NY 9H corridor and what effect a roundabout would have on it.
When asked this question by planning board member
Gerald Minot-Scheureman at a recent Planning Board meeting, McCulloch’s answer
was, “I don’t know. My job was to design a roundabout.” McCulloch was not
even aware of the intersection of NY 9H and Keegan Road and that is signaled and
within view of the proposed roundabout site. THANK YOU: I would like to thank you for answering our call for help. Contributions to KNGG have been coming in daily since our letter went out to you. If you have not replied with a check, please do. It’s important that we should be able to continue out fight for safe and rural Kinderhook. June 14, 2004
Dear KNGG Member:
Looking to the future, we have made
a formal request in May to Supervisor McGivney and the Town Board to implement a
moratorium on all commercial development on Routes US9 and NY 9H until a
corridor study could be completed. The Board has not acted on this significant
request. To be able to continue our work, we
will still need to be able to pay for legal and engineering consultation. Now we need to call on you to be
generous once more. Today we ask those of you who have generously contributed to
KNGG in the past, to please dig deep once again. Yours
truly, Allen Schaefer, President Mark Litteken, Treasurer Deirdre Leland
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WIDEWATERS REQUIRED TO GET MORE VARIANCES
Wednesday
June 2, 2004 At the
special Planning Board meeting Wednesday evening, called especially to deal with
Widewaters’ business, the Planning Board determined that Widewaters would need
additional variances.
In addition to the one for which they have applied, they will need one
for setback of the restaurant and one for an additional curb cut. Other items
discussed were the language of the matrix and preamble of the FDEIS (Final Draft
Environmental Impact Statement). ZBA TO RETAIN MARC GERSTMAN Thursday
June 3, 2004 Although
Dunkin’ Donuts was on the ZBA agenda, their representatives were asked by
attorney Marc Gold not to appear as the traffic evaluation by the Town was not
complete. The
Dunkin Donuts Public Hearing is rescheduled for July 1st. At the
regular ZBA (Zoning Board of Appeals) meeting Thursday evening, board member
Richard Wetmore, having brought up the issue earlier with Town Supervisor Doug
McGivney, proposed that the ZBA retain environmental attorney, Marc Gerstman for
any matters dealing with Widewaters. Wetmore clarified
that Gerstman's appointment has nothing to do with Marc Gold’s capabilities
as an attorney. Chairman Sean Eagan pointed out that Widewaters Commons is the largest project by far to be considered in Kinderhook. The application process is complicated and expert help in the environmental field would be beneficial. Board member Kelly Nicoletta stated, “Widewaters has a variance application in for roof pitch and I have the feeling that they’ll want more.” Margaret Litteken, although recused from Widewaters, was allowed to point out that the previous night the Planning Board found that Widewaters would need two additional variances. But one alternate member argued that this would be an additional expense to the Town.
KNGG believes what may be an additional expense to the Town today will probably save it a great deal in future legal fees. A motion
was made by Richard Wetmore and seconded by Sean Egan to retain Marc
Gerstman. A
vote was taken and the result was unanimous to retain Gerstman. Marc
Gerstman had been retained by the Town for the Planning Board because of the
legal environmental complications of the Widewaters application. Gerstman has dealt
often with the environmental parts of the law that most attorneys around here
have not. It
is generally felt that he has worked well in advising the Planning Board in the
complications of environmental law and the SEQRA (State Environmental Quality
Review Act) process. The continuity of having Gerstman retained buy the Town for
the ZBA is the ideal situation. The ZBA made a wise choice. Mobil jealous of SUNOCO in
KINDERHOOK? You may
remember that the Sunoco gas station, on Route 9 north of Valatie almost at the
Kinderhook Town line, has been cited for installing signage larger than is
allowed by the code. The Sunoco franchise is now in litigation with the
Town. At Thursday’s ZBA meeting, a representative of the Mobil franchise directly across from the Sunoco station, requested to place an application for a variance for larger signage than allowed by code. The
representative advised the ZBA that most franchise stations of all oil companies
are “peddling” larger logo signage to their franchises. Therefore, if one station has a larger sized sign, that station has
an advantage over the others in capturing “pass by traffic.” Board member Kelly Nicoletta asked the representative if the ZBA should expect many more requests for larger signage variances down the line because of this new policy. The representative replied yes. Sean Egan requested that the representative present a letter from the oil company to the effect that the oil company is requiring their franchises to put up larger signs. This is getting off the track. The oil companies do not write the Town’s code. Nor do they make the ZBA determinations. It certainly wouldn’t look good for the Town if we give Mobil a variance for larger signs especially if we are fighting Sunoco in court on a similar issue. In the near future Gulf and Getty will want larger signage and soon we’ll be hearing from McDonald’s, Stewarts and Dunkin’ Donuts, whose signage size has just been bargained down. It’s only fair that if we give in to one, we should treat all as equal. If not careful, we’ll be lit up as bright as East Greenbush. If the Mobil variance happens to be granted before the SUNOCO case is settled, the Town attorney will have a difficult time explaining it to the judge. Just because an oil company wants its franchise to put out larger signage is no reason to give a variance. It brings up the issue of how we are to treat our code. Will the ZBA be allowed to rewrite the code, or will they be expected enforce it? Variances
should be given only in extreme circumstances. Wanting larger signs is not a reason for a
variance. As ZBA
member Richard Wetmore was quoted recently by the Register-Star, “The purpose of
the ZBA is to right unanticipated, egregious wrongs to individuals that were
engendered by the Town in enacting its codes.” “I get the
feeling sometimes we are looking for a way to grant a variance,” he
continued. “We
should look for egregious harm in exceptional circumstances. I don’t always get
the impression that the Town’s good is foremost in our minds.” One can only conclude that because a Town has a good zoning code, does not ensure the community that it will be enforced, especially if exceptions to the code are the norm and not the enforcement of the code. June 3, 2004 TO: All KNGG
Members
DUNKIN DONUTS
HEARING
POSTPONED
We
have just been advised by our attorneys, who have been in touch with ZBA
Attorney Marc Gold, that the Dunkin' Donuts' Public Hearing at the ZBA
scheduled for tonight has been postponed till next month's ZBA
meeting.
This
is due to the fact the Town's traffic engineer has not completed an evaluation
of the Dunkin' Donuts traffic study. The Public Hearing was held open
because the ZBA wanted the Town to evaluate the traffic
study.
This
now gives us another month to get more letters in to the
ZBA:
PUBLIC HEARING AT ZBA The Public Hearing for Dunkin' Donuts was declared "open" and will now resume July 2nd. Letters from the public are still being accepted: Write to Sean Egan, Chairman, Town of Kinderhook ZBA, PO Box P, Niverville NY 12130 Be sure to send a copy of your letter to Letters to the Editor: THE CHATHAM COURIER
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THE REGISTER-STAR
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Mail: PO Box 635, Hudson NY 12534
phone 518 828-1616
fax 518 828-3870
e-mail editorial@registerstar.com
SUMMARY:
Thursday July 2nd - 7:30 PM - Town Hall -
Niverville
Dunkin' Donuts has applied for three
variances.
1. One for double the signage area allowed by
code.
2. One for a much larger setback not
allowed by code..
3. One for a much larger lot coverage not
allowed by code.. They wish to cover 65% of the property. The code allows
50%.
LOCATION: the apex Junction of Routes US9 and NY 9H
directly opposite the Widewaters proposed project on one side and the school
district campus (2000 plus students) on the other side. The plot is too
small for what they want to do and the location will only make the intersection
more dangerous.
The ZBA should not give
variances on this project but must stick to the code. If a variance
is given to Dunkin' Donuts, it
would set a dangerous precedent for this new code.
Please send
in your letter as soon as possible.
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JUNE 2, 2004
TO: All KNGG
Members
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Dunkin'
Donuts' hearing for 3 variances Thursday evening 6/3 7:30 at Townhall,
Niverville
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The Planning
Board Workshop is Thursday June 10th at 7:00 PM -
Town Hall, Niverville
Agenda not available at this
time
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Board meets Monday June 14that 7:00 PM - Town Hall, Niverville
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JUNE 1, 2004
TO: All KNGG Members
Wednesday June 2nd - Town Hall - Niverville - 7:00 PM The Planning Board has completed it's review of the Final Draft Environmental Impact Statement with Widewaters. The June 2nd meeting will be short, only for going over the matrix and preamble of the FDEIS. The review may be complete but the Planning Board has not voted to accept the document. This is planned for when they have seen the new document and have proofed it.
It is important at a hearing to show the board that we have support for our point of view. This often swings the vote. We need you to come out in full force this Thursday. Please make it a point to be there.
DUNKIN' DONUTS PUBLIC HEARING AT ZBA Thursday June 3rd - 7:30 PM - Town Hall - Niverville Dunkin' Donuts has applied for three variances. 1. One
for double the signage area allowed by code. 2. One for much less
setback. 3. One
for lot less coverage. They wish to cover 65% of the property. The code
allows 50%. LOCATION: the apex
Junction of Routes US9 and NY 9H directly opposite the Widewaters proposed
project on one side and the school district campus (2000 plus students) on the
other side. The plot is too small for what they want to do and the
location will only make the intersection more dangerous. The ZBA should not
give variances on this project but must stick to the code. If a
variance is given to Dunkin' Donuts, it would set a dangerous
precedent.
Please show your support. Please come to this hearing and tell the ZBA “NO variances.”
We look forward to seeing you there. * Your
contribution to KNGG is tax deductible as allowed by law. * We appreciate your previous support. And hope you will continue to support good growth for Kinderhook today and tomorrow.
Be sure to mark your calendar:Monday July 26 - 7:30 PMQuarterly Membership MeetingThe McNary Center - Sylvester Street - Village of KinderhookMAY 30,
2004
TO: All KNGG Members
Widewaters Provokes Bad Feelings at Planning
Board
Excerpts from the May 30th Register-Star editorial:
“Widewaters should let the process work”A sure sign that
the Widewaters Group is becoming restless over the length of time it’s taking to
acquire Kinderhook Planning Board approval for its construction project is the
action taken recently by Widewaters legal council Thomas Fucillo. . . . Last week the company
allowed one of its lawyers to send a somewhat offensive letter to the very
board from
which it’s seeking approval. The letter petulantly, and we think
foolishly, asked the board to accept at its meeting last Thursday the company’s
draft (final) environmental impact statement as
complete, subject to some changes still to be completed. We certainly can understand
Widewaters’ impatience: This project has been kicking around for a couple of
years. The
(final)
draft environmental impact statement has been in front of the Planning Board
since December.
And at this point there’s no reason to think a decision by the Planning
Board is imminent. However, there
been a case of “the slows” on both sides during this process. Widewaters has
often come before the board with incomplete documentation; the board, for its
part, has often avoided taking actions that it could take on parts of the
application. At this point,
however, we think a letter such as this one, that the members of the Planning
Board deemed to be insulting to be insulting, is far from the best vehicle for
propelling the project along. … …But there are
concerns by many in the community that this project might be the harbinger of
change that would turn Kinderhook’s Route 9 corridor into a twin to East
Greenbush’s Route 9(/20) corridor. We share those
concerns. We encourage the Widewaters company to send fewer lawyers and enlist more engineers. Certainly the Planning Board can’t possibly approve an incomplete plan. Once the development company has all its ducks in a row then, maybe, it will be time for chiding letters.
Planning Board Member Gerry
Minot-Scheuerman responds to Widewaters Letter
The following is a copy of the letter written and read into the minutes of the Town of Kinderhook Planning Board on May 27, 2004 by Gerald Minot-Scheuerman.
FACTS AND
DETAILS
MISSING FROM THOMAS FUCILLO’S 5-25-04 LETTER
My opinion, based on this letter, is the past
activities of the applicant (my having attended almost, if not every meeting on
Widewaters since my appointment as an Alternate member) has taken us from the
ridiculous to insulting.
I find it interesting that applicant’s lawyer’s letter was dated 5-25 and the Planning Board just happened to receive its first set of documents, sent by overnight mail, from Barbara Beall with a cover letter that was dated 5-24-04. For those of you who were not at our first special Saturday meeting to review the Draft FEIS, Barbara Beall, a Widewaters contract employee, volunteered to take the Planning Board’s revisions and incorporate the Board’s revisions to the Draft FEIS. This offer was accepted because Barbara prepared the original Draft and she should have been able to make the edits the quickest. The package we just received included the Preamble and Matrix (to provide a roadmap for the changes) Please note that none of the materials are the substantive changes we made to the Executive Summary or the first part of the detail sections of the Draft FEIS. So for me, the answer to your implied question as to what the first indication that we are in the Home Stretch will be, is when the applicant’s consultants submits the revised documents. Then, unlike some legislative bodies that will go unmentioned, the Planning Board will need to at least read through the document before voting. This is to ensure all the edits have been appropriately made and nothing accidentally got added or omitted. I believe, to use a sport’s metaphor, not
only is the ball in your court but it has been since the first Special meeting
we had where edits were produced. Perhaps you should have directed the May 25,
2004 letter to your client and their hired consultants.
Paragraph 3 “ As you know, this application has been pending for well over two years.” At the beginning of the SEQR process, the
Planning Board discussed with the applicant the benefits of engaging in scoping
and how it could avoid delays in the future and would actually be to the
applicant’s advantage, since if it were done, it would greatly limit the ability
to add new issues at a later date. Not only did Widewaters’ representative state
their wish not to do scoping, but also made a point that if the Planning Board
were to require it, he would see it as a needless waste of time. Also, repeatedly members of the Planning
Board over the first year of this project asked the applicant whether they
really, really wanted the project evaluated based on the old Town Code. Repeatedly we were
told YES!!!
The applicant went so far as to approach the Town’s ZBA to affirm that
the Old Code should be used.
Then suddenly, some might think after someone
actually finally looked at the old code, the new code, the project and the
comments coming from the public, the applicant decided NO NO I meant New Code.
That flip-flop contributed in a large measure to the two-year processing delay
time mentioned in the 5-25 letter.
However, the Roundabout change was made because without it, DOT had made it clear the project would not receive its required approvals. The Planning Board got notified and involved in the roundabout discussions only after NYDOT and the applicant had “worked things out”. This, notwithstanding the fact that the Planning Board and NYDOT both have approval roles to play in terms of roadways and access, also added significantly to the processing time.
As for the building design features, trees and the decision to remove a building, these were all based on the Town Code, which the Planning Board is required to implement, and were pursued by the Board in terms of this applicant in the same manner as it has for other applicant. One would think that the applicant’s position now seems to be that the Planning Board should have ignored its obligations and the Town Code and just accept what the applicant submitted. Sorry but in the USA that is not how it works!
5. Paragraph 6 mentions a “ vocal minority of Board Members” With the exception of the vote to accept as complete the DEIS, I believe a check of the records will show that the Board votes near unanimously every time it votes. In my time on this Board, I can only think of fewer than 5 votes that haven’t been unanimous.
Also, at the applicants request, we agreed early on to try and deal with both SEQR and site plan review somewhat together. This was to help reduce time. I remember specifically a period about a year or more ago, where we had been trying to move forward on site plan review and finally had, after several months of being told the revised plans were almost ready, extracted a promise from the Widewaters representative, that we would finally get copies of the revised site plan at our next meeting. A month later, the day of the big unveiling was here. However, the applicant brought up another issue and just happened to have a motion that he wanted the Board to approve first. When we refused, he literally packed up everything, including these long awaited plans, and left. I hadn’t seen that since I was 10 years old and a playmate didn’t get the do-over he wanted, and so he took “his ball and his bat” and went home. How much of the 2 year delay was the result of the Planning Board having to wait months for the new site plans to be produced and then wait even longer for them to actually reappear and be given to us?
6. Paragraph 7, 8 and 9 states in terms of the cross access issue, “Section 81-18” which is headed :Off-street parking and loading regulations”
I strongly suggest, as members of this
Planning Board have done repeatedly with both this applicant and other
applicants, that you get a copy of the code and you read the whole thing. Specifically the
topic of cross access and the Site Plan review process. I suggest you ponder
section 81-47 Zoning permits; site
plan approval. Specifically
subdivision C -Site Plan Review, (b) (2) Review Standards, (a) and b). I personally believe that these are the portions of the code, along with our Comprehensive Plan, that should be looked at when it comes to deciding issues of cross access. This has already been done with another applicant; an applicant whose words and actions towards the planning process I would characterize as being “LETS WORK TOGETHER. As OPPOSED to a good cop-bad cop approach that culminates with OUR WAY OR THE HIGH WAY!”
7. Paragraph 10 “oversight fees”
Earlier in this process, the applicant allowed their required escrow account to dip below zero; the Board raised the issue and said that based on our fiduciary responsibilities, we could not permit unfunded planning costs to be incurred. We enacted a motion to automatically remove any project from our agenda if its escrow account is in arrears. The WideWaters representative then asked that we ensure that they be notified in the future so as to prevent this from happening again.
In the spirit of cooperation and ignoring the fact that Widewaters is a multi-million dollar corporation with many highly paid employees, as compared to the Town, we agreed. Still WideWaters has again allowed this situation to re-occur. 8. Paragraph 11 “ We respectfully request that the Board complete its review
at the May 27 meeting and accept the document as complete (subject to changes
identified by the Board), so it can issue its findings and render its final
decision thereafter ” I for one might be willing to do this, but only after the applicant has produced the revised, edited sections which they have supposedly been working on for several months. Trust but verify is a pretty good motto to follow, given the hot-cold approach this applicant has adopted towards this Board.
In addition, when this Board voted to hold this meeting tonight, we members and the public were told that the purpose of this meeting was to “continue our review and editing of the Draft FEIS”. No mention was made of holding a vote! So now, hours before the meeting is to be held, and I am sure purely by accident, on the same night as this project just happens to also be on the agenda of the County Planning Board. The applicant’s lawyer is asking us to vote on the completeness of the FEIS. I for one have seen enough of these coincidences that just seem to happen whenever this project is involved.
I do not believe this is how government bodies in the USA should conduct themselves. Maybe this is how things are done in Onondaga County but this Planning Board has not acted this way as long as I have been a member. Minutes KNGG Quarterly Meeting McNary Center, Kinderhook NY 12106 April 26, 2004 At 7:40 PM Allen Schaefer, KNGG President called the meeting to order and welcomed a group of about 25 people to the quarterly meeting and second anniversary celebration. Attorney Jeff Baker spoke first because he had to leave early. In the update of the Widewaters project he stated that the big issue is the roundabout. Jeff feels that the developer should put up a bond for future study and improvement of the roundabout. The Planning Board wants a conservation easement to protect the property at the rear of the proposed mall. Widewaters had not yet agreed. According to Jeff the Planning Board can turn down the application for a variety of reasons including traffic, view shed, site plan and the inappropriateness of the development for the Town. Allen Schaefer gave the Treasurer’s report
for Mark Litteken who was out of town. Deirdre Leland read the minutes of the
December 8, 2003 annual meeting. They were accepted by the membership. Allen Schaefer thanked several KNGG members for their dedicated help and support in KNGG’s first two years. They include John Pickett, Sue Chiafullo, Abby and Larry Cash, Diane Whelton, Meg Moran, Muriel Gibbons and Mark Litteken. Alexandra Anderson Spivy introduced the guest speaker, Seth McKee, Director of Policy and Programs, Scenic Hudson Land Trust. Mr. McKee spoke of Scenic Hudson’s efforts in the Hudson Valley to support agriculture. They have helped to protect 20,000 acres between Albany and New York City. The land base needs to be stabilized. To do this people are asked to contact legislators and the governor about supporting development rights for farmers. Support of local farmers through Community Supported Agriculture (CSA) and institutional buying for schools, hospitals etc. and influencing local supermarkets to buy local produce should be encouraged. Most importantly we need to be proactive to save farmland. Don’t wait until it is too late. Several Scenic Hudson pamphlets and maps were
shared with the audience. Ally Spivy requested volunteers for a
corporate fund raising effort. A musical fundraiser with West Point
musicians and music by Robert Baksa may be scheduled in August or September. Discussion was raised about the future
direction of KNGG. Frank Rhyner suggested reviewing the Town’s
Economic Development Plan drawn up in 1997 for ideas of positive commercial
development. Marcia Anderson mentioned the need for grants to support the Town Rail/Trail study. Support of the Corridor Study was strongly advocated. Jerry Cosgrove stated that the community must be willing to invest in its future and that money was what was needed. He offered to work with a subcommittee on this. A grant writer for the Town was suggested. Diane Whelton feels that we should connect
with the NY Preservation League. Dick Morrill emphasized that there should be a
greater KNGG presence at all ZBA and Planning Board meetings. Seth McKee suggested that KNGG support local
initiatives for development rights and ways to create open space. The meeting was adjourned at 9:30. Guests joined in a
reception to celebrate the second anniversary of KNGG. Deirdre Leland, Secretary May 2004 TWO BOARDS MEET
ABOUT WIDEWATERS
The Columbia County Planning Board hosted a special meeting with DOT at 5:00 PM Thursday night in Hudson. County Planning Board Chairman James Guzzi and his board met “to evaluate the Widewaters proposal’s intercommunity and countryside impact.” However ten days ago when we attended the county meeting, the only part of the project the board seemed to be interested in was the roundabout. At that time they felt that they had many roundabout questions and could not make a determination until speaking with the DOT.
Our general feeling that night was that the board members looked upon the DOT with adulation. So, whatever DOT says should be OK. Representing the DOT was roundabout “expert” Howard McCulloch who gave a shortened presentation of roundabouts and answered the board’s questions. Howard is still comparing apples to oranges by using Montpelier VT as a comparison to Kinderhook. Representing Widewaters was consultant Barbara Beale and attorney Tom Fucillo.Attorney Jim Muscato (pinch hitting for Jeff Baker) and
KNGG Treasurer Mark Litteken represented KNGG. Diane Whelton was present in support of
KNGG.
McCulloch, Beale and Fucillo gave their presentations, all
of which we have heard many times before at Town Planning Board meetings. Surprisingly, the public was given 3 minutes each to speak to the board. Mark Litteken addressed several safety factors of the roundabout while Jim Muscato spoke of the roundabout and the importance of the green space. Widewaters had put a note on the site plan stating that the green space could not be black topped or build on in future. KNGG attorney, Jeff Baker advises that future boards can change notes on si |